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Post by surfer5 on Apr 17, 2008 14:17:31 GMT -5
this is more reason that they need to change the terminology of consensual sex of minors from rape to something else. anything else. rape is forced. rape is typically more of a power thing than a sex thing. to me, it borders on the same psychosis as serial killers. but saying 2 16 y/o's having consensual sex is in the same ballpark is just insane. and saying "rape" of a girl under 14 (and i too know some girls that lost their virginity willingly at 13) is justification for the death penalty? yea, you're right, that's scary.
i think, if they are going to use this law, there should be clear guidelines on its use, #1 being consent. i know its hard to prove consent (people can say they never gave it when they did or vice versa) but tehre should be some standard of proof that consent was not given. and, in the case that started this thread, there is no jury in the world that would believe an 8 y/o girl gave consent for her father to have sex with her.
i dunno. its all fucked up.
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Post by debster on Apr 17, 2008 16:20:54 GMT -5
that's very true. "consentual sex by a minor" maybe? with a penalty equaling something like taking parenting classes, working in a day care center, working in the aids wing at a hospital, or watching those god-awfully funny sexual disease movies from the 50's for hours on end. now that would be justice!
on a more sour note, let's say this, for some insane reason, does clear. what child, even one that's being molested, would willing want to send their parent to sit on death row? what effect would this have on a child to know your father was sick and molested you so you had him executed?
the whole issue just gets so murky it's insane.
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Post by leila on Apr 18, 2008 11:06:06 GMT -5
Well, keep in mind that it's her step-father. Also keep in mind that kids who go through this kind of shit tend to be rather precocious and could probably make that decision. In the case of the 8 year old, as long as she gets a good therapist and deals with this well, I'd say she might be able to make that choice in a couple of years.
Provided the government has the right to say whether or not someone deserves to live, I say kill the bastard. But only after torturing him for a long, long time. Do to him what he did to that little girl and even more.
Also, rapists (I'm not talking about statuatory "rape") should get way, way more time in prison.
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Post by sharpie marker on Apr 18, 2008 11:21:10 GMT -5
Also, rapists (I'm not talking about statuatory "rape") should get way, way more time in prison. I agree with you wholeheartedly on that one. Let the pot dealers out and keep the rapists in.
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Post by leila on Apr 18, 2008 11:38:32 GMT -5
But honestly, I don't really think the goverment should be able to decide whether someone lives or dies. But there really is a satisfaction in knowing that someone like that just isn't around anymore. I think the death sentence is less about punishment and more about just getting rid of scum.
At least in this particular case. I know there are many, many exceptions to this.
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Post by debster on Apr 18, 2008 12:28:50 GMT -5
well, pot dealers being in prison is a whole different issue. i think we'd all agree that's just nonsense. but pot still being illegal is pretty insane too. i believe that and i don't even smoke it. but i honestly don't believe children, especially one that is 8, are emotionally mature enough to make those kind of decisions. in most molestation cases it's not the child that turns the molester in for the crime, it's usually someone else finding some evidence of the abuse. and far too many of these children believe that the molestation is their own fault, or that they allowed it to happen so share in the guilt. if not found when they're young, it's generally not until they're adults that they can speak out about their abuse (if at all). and, although i seriously don't understand it, there are far too many women whose children are being abused and turn a blind eye. is knowing that they're putting their spouse or boyfriend on death row really going to encourage them to speak out? for me, hells yeah! but again, i don't understand their silence and could never let my child endure that. and then there's the wild card of the stupid girls that give it up willingly on the first date, yet when her phone isn't ringing the next day, she feels jilted, gets angry and cries that it was rape. it's really sad that this happens because it makes so many valid rape cases look suspicious. i don't know man. i agree that anyone that commits rape deserves to sit and rot, and it wouldn't break my heart to see the current penalties upped, but there really need to be some very clear lines drawn with this. and having to draw distinctions between rape, violent rape and then throwing statutory rape into that same hat... to me statutory rape is more the guy that drugs a girl and has his way with her or the kid that just doesn't understand the meaning of the word "no". or even the guy that knows this kid is just 14 and he's 40 but talks her into letting him have sex with her. but damn sure not two teens having consentual sex. as horrible as this case is, the girl lived. if she had died it would have been murder and that would make this a completely different case. it's true she won't have the kind of life she deserves, and neither should he. but death penalty? i see problems. lines, there need to be very clear lines. and a lot of them.
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Post by leila on Apr 18, 2008 12:46:54 GMT -5
I think it really, really depends on the kid. Like I said, I think she might be able to make that decision in a couple of years. Not now. But it depends on her, not her age.
I absolutely do not think rape has to damage someone for life. Since she can get help much earlier than most victims of rape, she has a much better chance of coming out of this a strong, sane woman... with several years of therapy, of course. She can still have a good life and can use her experience to help others.
I agree that there need to be very clear lines. All situations are different. I don't think he should get the death sentence, but I do think he should be in an immense amount of pain, in prison, for the rest of his life. But really, it wouldn't hurt if someone (not the government) killed him.
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Post by Robbie on Apr 18, 2008 15:07:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry i'm going with Hank on this, the goverment should not be givein the life or death card. I think this guy should be put in prison for a long time, and have it leaked into the prison pop that he did what he did. Let the inmates have a new rape thing.
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