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Post by supershanemfc on Apr 4, 2008 11:05:01 GMT -5
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Post by sharpie marker on Apr 4, 2008 11:21:39 GMT -5
Damn. And as fucked up as it is to try and flush your baby down a toilet, I feel sorry for the kid as well as the baby. I wonder how she got pregnant - if she was abused or just having sex without any sense or what.
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Post by debster on Apr 4, 2008 11:21:58 GMT -5
i just..... (*#^(&^@#*%#(*%(*...... i wanna..... (*#&$%&$*&^@$*&$%#$..... i'm speechless. really reallly realllllllly love to meet this fine young lady.
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Post by supershanemfc on Apr 4, 2008 11:23:45 GMT -5
I was watching it on the news yesterday and by the way it sound hank, it sound like she got knocked up by just being stupid. I can say I feel for the girl but I will also say I hope they treat her like a adult and punish her like one as well.
-shane
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Post by sharpie marker on Apr 4, 2008 11:24:25 GMT -5
Shit, I'd have to know a lot more before I could completely just say she deserves whatever she gets. Like I said, was she abused? Did she even understand what was happening to her? Was she afraid her dad would kill her or something? We haven't got all the info.
A real tragedy, though.
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Post by debster on Apr 4, 2008 11:33:04 GMT -5
well, i know what you're saying, but when you boil it down that baby played absolutely no role in whatever happened to her, whether her fault or her trauma. i'm sure either way she was scared, but there are places you can take that baby (hospital?) that don't involve shoving it into a fucking toilette. sorry, but i have a really hard time excusing that action.
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Post by surfer5 on Apr 4, 2008 11:46:25 GMT -5
that is horrible. simply horrible.
our country, as a whole, are a bunch of hypocrits, though. i bet they will end up charging the girl with adult-like consequences, indicating she made an adult decision and was competent to do so. and then throw the father of the baby in prison for having sex with a 14 y/o girl, who is obviously incompent to make adult decisions. you can't have it both ways. either she can think like an adult or not. if she can be held to the fire for panicing and trying to get rid of her baby the only way she could think of, then she can decide who she fucks. if she's an adult, she's an adult. if she's not, then she's not. you can't be an adult (legally) in one capacity and not in another. at least you shouldn't be able to.
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Post by sharpie marker on Apr 4, 2008 11:59:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I sort of feel similar. I mean, yes, there are places where someone can take a new baby, thank god. It's a damn shame and a tragedy. But do you really think a kid who hid the entire pregnancy and gave birth in a school bathroom was going to think, "Oh, I'll just wrap it up and take it to the fire station,"? Did she even know that was an option? Can you imagine how fucking scary it would be to have NO prenatal care or information and then go into labor at school? People panic in that kind of situation.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences. I guess I'm saying that we, as a society, also need to be doing a better job to get REAL sex ed info to kids, to make sure they know there are places they can go anonymously for help, to make sure that no one will beat their daughter or throw her out at 14 for getting knocked up, to make sure that a middle schooler can get an abortion if that's her choice - you know what I'm saying.
If it turns out she just wanted to make sure she got to go to prom or whatever, yeah, she should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Any way you cut it, it wasn't the baby's fault. But I can certainly see cases where I would call it manslaughter instead of murder, if that makes sense.
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Post by surfer5 on Apr 4, 2008 12:16:58 GMT -5
If it turns out she just wanted to make sure she got to go to prom or whatever, yeah, she should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Any way you cut it, it wasn't the baby's fault. But I can certainly see cases where I would call it manslaughter instead of murder, if that makes sense. i couldn't agree more. i am basically pro-choice as long as its not a means of birth control. not that this is the same thing at all, but if this girl was just stupid, was out screwing around for fun, and just did this as an easy-out or just didn't care, then that is one thing. but i suspect it was more like a "got pressured into having sex with her boyfriend, got pregnant, freaked the fuck out, didn't know what to do, scrared shitless, afraid of what her family and friends and school and society would do and say to her, didn't want to drop out of school in the 8th grade, couldn't raise a baby, couldn't tell her parents, waht the fuck have i done and what the fuck am i going to do now" kind of thing. and she was 14. now was trying to flush the baby down the toilet the right thing? of course not. do i think there is the possiblity that there are mitigating factors that should prevent her from receiving capital punishment? definitely. hell, i think part of her punishment, if she was willing, it to go to other schools and talk about what happened to her so that it doesn't happen again. i think that would be a lot more useful punishment than 20 years in prison. |
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Post by supershanemfc on Apr 4, 2008 12:25:40 GMT -5
[/quote] i think part of her punishment, if she was willing, it to go to other schools and talk about what happened to her so that it doesn't happen again. i think that would be a lot more useful punishment than 20 years in prison.[/quote]
I think that is one of the best ideas I have heard about things like this in a long time. Have people that have been through this kinda stuff talk insted of some dick head who is only going to say don't have sex.
-shane
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Post by sharpie marker on Apr 4, 2008 12:30:15 GMT -5
Exactly. You know, study after study is showing that those abstinence-only sex eds just don't work. Kids have sex anyway, and they haven't been taught about birth control and what the hell is going on with their bodies, so they wind up sick or pregnant. And parents who push for that sort of sex ed are MUCH less likely to be able to deal with it when their kids get into trouble.
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Post by debster on Apr 4, 2008 12:49:15 GMT -5
well, sorry to be a stick in the mud, but at 14 years old kids know a hell of a lot these days. a lot more than adults give them credit for. and after having squatted a couple out myself i can say that you've got a good long while to think about how you're going to handle the situation. it's not like she woke up that morning suddenly preggo and didn't have time to consider her options. worst case scenario is she didn't realize that she was pregnant until the baby started kicking, but even that would have given her several months to figure out some kind of plan. do i think she deserves capital punishment? hell no. do i think she deserves a swirley a day for the rest of her life? mmmmm....... maaaaybe. and i also think that making her speak about it to other kids would be the only real positive that could come out of it. either way, she did it and she's gonna have to live with it, and the consequences of it ("wait, you were THAT dumb bitch that tried to flush your baby?") for the rest of her life. i wouldn't want to be the one to decide what her punishment should be, but i do believe there is something that would suit the crime, with all circumstances taken into consideration. as liberal as i am on so many issues, i'm pretty damn conservative when it comes to this type of issue. blah..
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Post by supershanemfc on Apr 4, 2008 12:53:53 GMT -5
Damn deb you are at 700 post.
-shane
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Post by debster on Apr 4, 2008 13:38:05 GMT -5
nice change of subject there baby. hahahahaha!!!  ~~~~~~~~~~~~ <<still stripping out tape... |
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Post by sharpie marker on Apr 4, 2008 13:45:44 GMT -5
Sure you didn't want this one?  |
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